翻译: 小友达 齐小白 胡子君
第一季 第七集
电波诚译
校对: Childish Robino OneOne
后期: Floprepublic
压制: 肉包超人
道奇战马 The Dodge Charger
表明态度 无需言语 舍我其谁 the official car of making a statement without saying anything at all.
美国黑人电视网
政治
时事
文化
蒙塔格访谈
晚上好 欢迎来到"蒙塔格访谈" Good evening, and welcome to "Montague".
我是主持人 Franklin Montague I'm your host, Franklin Montague.
今天 我们来谈谈 And today we're gonna take a look at
日益火热的性别认同问题 the growing outlook of accepted sexuality
以及这对黑人青年和文化的影响 and its effects on black youth and culture.
今天的嘉宾 我们请到了 With us today, we have the
美国跨性别者事务中心的负责人 Head of the Center of Trans-American issues,
Debra Holt博士 Dr. Debra Holt,
以及歌手"阔大少" and recording artist Paper Boi.
两位晚上好 Good evening to you both.
- 你好 Montague - 好呀 - Good evening, Montague. - 'Sup?
我们开始吧 Uh, let's start at the beginning.
"阔大少" 上周二 你在推特上与他人争论 Paper Boi, last Tuesday you engaged in a Twitter rant
并且发表了一系列相当具有煽动性的言论 that had some pretty inflammatory statements.
这其中影响最大的一条 But the one statement that seems to have made the biggest impact
是这一条 原话是这样 was this one and I quote,
"你们这群黑X" "Y'all the... N-words "
"居然说我奇怪" "Who said I was weird for not wanting to"
"就因为我不想上Caitlyn Jenner" "F-word Caitlyn Jenner."
Caitlyn Jenner: 原名Bruce Jenner 前奥运冠军 是卡戴珊三姐妹的继父 变性后改名Caitlyn
你想解释一下这句话吗 Would you want to, uh, explain that statement?
不想 No.
呃 那你能解释一下吗 Well, could you explain that statement?
就是字面意思咯 I...meant what I said.
你不觉得这句话包含对跨性别者的恐惧吗 You don't think your tweets are transphobic?
你们让我和她上床 我没必要照做吧 I just don't have to have sex with Caitlyn Jenner 'cause y'all say so.
嗯 所以你认为 Mm. So you don't think
Caitlyn Jenner不重要咯 Caitlyn Jenner's important?
听着 我理解你的意思 好吗 Look, I get what y'all saying, right?
只是 她对于我 和我的生活 But she's not super important to me,
并没有特别重要 like, not my life.
那么 你讨厌跨性别者多久了 So how long have you disliked transpeople?
喂 我才知道这世界上有这么一种人好吗 Man, look, I just found out they exist,
- 这是实话 - 不不不 - to be honest. - I... no, no...
"我会让她换边站 重做光荣男子汉" "I make her switch sides, Caitlyn Jenner in reverse"?
难道这不是你写的歌词么 Is that not a... a lyric of yours?
老兄 我只是在说唱而已 Man, I was just rapping, man.
我还唱过更过分的呢 Look, I've said worse things.
你听过我那首"光明会之炮"吗 You ever heard my song, "Illuminati Sex"?
- 没听过 - 这没法聊 - Haven't heard it yet. - Well, there we go then.
Debra 你在书中谈到过 Debra, you've...written about
对当今这种社会现象的看法 this current phenomenon in your book,
"转变 新时代的性别之困" "Transition: Gender in a New Generation."
你对这件事怎么看 What do you think about all this?
我认为这些言论 I look at these statements as
是排外主义和强权文化的自然产物 natural consequences of a culture of exclusion and power.
很多性别与性向的概念 You know, there's a large swath of gender and sexuality roles
仅仅是刚刚为大众所知 that are just being exposed to a large portion of the public.
对于某些群体来说 这种转变很难接受 Uh, it's harder for certain sections to deal with this transition
因为利益冲突 或是他们的身份所致 uh, because of conflict of interest and, frankly, identity issues.
在这件事中 这个群体便是说唱群体 In this case, the rap community.
我真心认为 Now, I truly believe it's, uh,
黑人群体之所以无法接受 真正的原因是男子气概 has more to do with issues of masculinity in the black community
而不是"同性恋恐惧" 或是"跨性别者恐惧" than actual homophobia or transphobia.
- 请详细解释 - 对 我倒要听听看 - Please explain. - Yes, please, please.
快告诉我 我自己是个什么样的人 快 Tell me... tell me about myself. Go on.
呃 "阔"先生 Well, Mis... Mister, uh, Pa...
- "阔大少"先生 - 对 先生 - Mr. Paper Boi... - Mister, yeah.
你认为你是个什么样的人 What would you consider yourself?
说唱歌手 A rapper?
直男说唱歌手吗 A straight rapper?
贼直 Hell yeah.
我研究了一下你的歌词 Well, I did some research on your lyrics,
其实它们相当支持性向平等多元化 and they're actually very pro sexual-spectrum.
- 是吗 - 支持啥玩意 - Oh? - Pro-what?
"只要我上了你 你就是我的人" "If I F with you, you my N-word,"
"你这辈子都是我的人" "you my N-word for life."
你知道我不是这意思 Yo... you know that ain't what I meant.
我理解 但是 Yeah, oh, I understand, but, you know,
- 这里隐含的不确定性 - 不不不 - there's a layer of fluidity... - No, no, no.
- 啥也没隐含 - 你自己甚至都没意识到 - There's no extra layer. - That you yourself don't even realize.
我说唱的时候 经常不过脑子 I don't think about what I'm rapping half the time.
我只想赚钱 你懂吗 Look, I'm just trying to get paid, you feel me?
妈的 你以为我上这节目是为了什么 Like, shit, why you think I'm on this show?
这个节目是无偿的 You're not getting paid for this.
嘿 嘿 Earn 搞什么 Hey... hey, Earn... man?
黑人们并未准备好去接受 Black men aren't ready to accept the implications
包容跨性别者的文化所带来的后果 of a trans-accepting culture.
不 我有权利说它很奇怪 No... look, I'm allowed to say that it's weird.
"它" "It"?
我不是把他称作"它" No, look, I'm not calling him a "It."
- 只是说 - "他" - I'm just saying that... - "Him"?
我还能不能把话说完了 靠 Look... look, can I say something? Damn!
- 好了 - 看你想说什么了 - All right. - Well... it... depends.
- 我想说的是 - 我们先休息一会儿 - I was trying to say... - We got to take a break.
接下来 我们将了解一下 When we're back, we're gonna take a look
一位年轻男子力争平等的故事 into a young boy's struggle for equality.
蒙塔格访谈
怎么是一块四毛九 $1.49?
饮料罐上标价: 99美分
但是罐子上标了价呀 But the price on the can, though.
罐子上确实标了价 The price is on the can, though.
"罐子上就有标价"
讽刺商店里经常不按罐子上的标价来售卖这些饮料
这种喝法不对
讽刺麦芽酒并不像广告中那样高档
蒙塔格访谈
欢迎回来 之前我们谈到了性别转变的问题 Earlier in our show, we talked about transitions in sexuality.
那么关于种族的转变呢 Uh, but what about race?
我们请前方记者Nathan Wielder带来报道 Our correspondent, Nathan Wielder has the story.
"跨种族者" 蒙塔格访谈特别报道
Harrison这个人 从外表上看 Harrison looks from the outside
就是一个普通的少年 to be your average teenager.
上学 打游戏 He goes to school, plays video games,
甚至在房间里听歌 even listens to music in his room.
但他有一点与众不同 But there's one difference.
我是个三十五岁的白人 I'm a 35-year-old white man.
Harrison 本名Antoine Smalls Harrison, born Antoine Smalls,
拥有跨种族的身份认同 has trans-racial identity,
自认为是Harrison Booth identifying as Harrison Booth,
来自科罗拉多州的三十五岁白人 a 35-year-old white man from Colorado.
你是什么时候才发现自己 And when did you know that you were a
其实是个三十五岁的白人 35-year-old white man?
我一直都觉得与众不同 Well, I've always felt different.
我去逛超市 看电影的时候 I go to the store, the movies,
心里就一直在想 and just be thinking to myself, like,
"为什么我得不到我应得的尊重呢" "Why am I not getting the respect I deserve?"
突然之间 我明白了 And then, it just hit me.
我是白人 I'm white...
三十五岁的白人 and 35.
我有时候还挺怀念科罗拉多的 I just miss Colorado sometimes, you know.
在这里 我把建筑都想象成圣胡安山脉 Here, I pretend the buildings are the old San Juan Mountain ranges but,
但是我的工作在这 没法回去 you know, the jobs is here.
你在哪里工作 And where do you work?
我是可口可乐公司的系统工程师 I'm a Systems Engineer for Coca-Cola.
噢 不错啊 Oh. Okay.
那小子才没工作 That boy don't work.
他在上学 没别的 He go to school, and that's it.
- 嗯哼 - 有一天他突然说 - Mm-hmm. - One day, he said,
"叫我Harrison" "Call me Harrison."
我说 "那是谁" I said, "Who's that?"
他说 "是我" He said, "Me."
你相信他是个白人吗 Do you believe that he is a white man?
他不是啊 I mean, he isn't.
妈的 我也想某天起床之后宣布 Shit, I'd love to wake up one day and say,
"嘿 各位好啊 我是蕾哈娜" "Hey, everybody, I'm Rihanna."
但我不是啊 But I ain't.
这真的很难 It's been pretty hard.
家里人就是没办法理解 My family just doesn't get it.
我想让他们陪我出门 You know, I try to get them to go out with me,
散散步 去农贸市场 go on walks, go to the farmers market,
跟别人聊聊天什么的 但是 没办法 chat with people, but... yeah.
你觉得他们为什么不理解 So why don't you think that they get it?
我认为他们不理解 是因为 I don't think they get it because
他们不明白 种族只是人们编出来的东西 they don't realize that race is just a made-up thing.
他们背负着这种标签成长 而我 They grew up having labels, and me,
我就不是这样 I'm just... I'm just not like that.
我明白 I see.
你如何接受自己的不同身份认知 So how do you embrace your identity?
用我的穿衣方式 I dress a certain way.
巴塔哥尼亚风 Patagonia.
系棕色宽皮带 I wear a thick, brown leather belt.
我喜欢展望自己术后的样子 I like to envision myself after the surgery.
"嘿 打扰一下 现在有什么啤酒" "Hey, excuse me, what IPA do you have on tap?"
"嘿 昨晚看'权力的游戏'了吗" "Hey, did you see 'Game of Thrones' last night?"
棒 Yeah.
那么 你的手术 So your... your surgery,
定在今年晚些时候是吗 that's later this year?
对 我已经开始在石峰商场工作了 Right. I started working at Stonecrest Mall,
希望到时能攒够进行下一阶段的钱 so hopefully by then I have enough money to take the next step.
所以你同时为可口可乐和商场工作 So you work at Coca-Cola and the mall?
对 没错 我有两份工作 Right. Correct, I work at both.
Harrison和Samuel Vergara医生一起 Harrison has been planning
制定完全转变种族的计划 a full racial transition with a Dr. Samuel Vergara
医生保证 通过一个实验手术 who guarantees Harrison can visually transition
Harrison的外形会彻底转变 through an experimental procedure
不仅可以让他变成白人 that will allow Harrison not only to be a white man
任何肤色都可以 but whatever race he chooses.
这个手术是绝对是百分百可行的 The procedure's absolutely 100% possible.
只不过他看起来会比较怪 He's gonna look weird though.
但在Harrison完全完成 But before Harrison can fully realize
生理上的变化前 他仍然每天都要 his physical identity, he still has the day-to-day
面对白眼和奚落 that's filled with discrimination and ridicule.
这真的很糟糕 It... it's pretty awful, you know.
你走在街上 You... you walk in the streets,
黑人们看到你时 会向你点头示意 像是在说 and black people, they see you, they nod to you like,
"嘿 很高兴见到自己人" "Hey, good to see us."
我受够了 我放弃了 And it's to the point where I've just given up.
我不再试图说服他们 I've stopped trying to convince them
- 我不是"自己人" - 明白 - that I'm not "Us." - Gotcha.
嘿 长官 绝对是他干的 Hey, chief, this is definitely the guy.
他压根不住在这里 He doesn't even live in the area.
我从来没有见过他 I've never seen him before.
他们是我叫来的
我觉得我们现在进展比较慢 I think we're taking slow strides,
但是你要坚信一切都会变得更好 but you have to believe things are getting better,
没有希望 便是行尸走肉 otherwise, you'll just die inside.
对其他有可能在经历同样事情的黑人孩子们 Is there anything you'd like to say to other black kids out there
你有什么要说的吗 who may be going through the same thing?
做你自己 Just be you.
不计代价 At all costs.
不过呢 But also,
别穿得疯了吧唧的 stop dressing so crazy.
有道理 Absolutely.
嗨 Hi.
我是Devyonne Johnson 著名电影演员 I'm Devyonne Johnson, famous movie star.
当导演喊出"卡" 短暂的休息到来时 When the director calls cut and I get a quick five,
你知道我会掏出有着丝滑口感的 you know I'm reaching for the smooth taste
甜蜜斯威舍 of Swisher Sweets.
甜蜜斯威舍是唯一一种使用 Swisher Sweets are the only cigarillos
来自于家族农场的最高品质烟草的雪茄 made with the highest quality tobacco from family-owned farms.
他们的高档标准和丰富经验 It's their high standards and experience
让您吸的每一口 都畅快至极 that make for a quality smoke you can enjoy every time.
棒极了 Yeah...
我只抽甜蜜斯威舍 I only smoke Swisher Sweets.
口感真的如丝般顺滑 It's the smooth taste.
甜蜜斯威舍赞到爆 The Swisher Sweets is good as hell.
给 里面一定要掏干净 Here, make sure this one's empty.
甜蜜斯威舍 Swisher Sweets.
Swisher雪茄的烟草质量差 购买者通常都是掏掉烟草 然后用烟卷来填充大麻
就是让你欲罢不能 There's just something about 'em.
全新"纯净预掏款"甜蜜斯威舍也已上市 敬请品尝 And try our new pre-dumps Swisher Sweets as well.
美国黑人电视网
蒙塔格访谈
欢迎回来 今天我们的话题是 "转变" And we're back. And today we're talking about transitions
我们的嘉宾是 亚特兰大说唱歌手"阔大少" 以及Debra Holt博士 with my guests, Atlanta rapper Paper Boi and Dr. Debra Holt.
美国跨性别者事务中心
"阔大少"\说唱歌手
"阔大少" Ah, Paper Boi,
你会害怕在这种话题上 are you afraid to speak your mind
阐明你的观点么 on this subject?
说实话 我确实害怕 Actually, yup, I am.
你根本不能说真话 You can't say real shit anymore
因为有人会因此而断你的财路 伙计 without somebody trying to make sure you never make money, bro.
所以你觉得你被迫害了 So you think you're being persecuted?
是的 没错 Yes, I am.
现在都不能在歌里唱"浪婊"这个词了 Man, you can't even say "Ho" In a song no more.
真可笑呢 不是吗 A travesty, I'm sure.
哟 你为什么 Yo, why you...
你为什么要这样说话 Yo, why you talk like that?
还"真可笑呢 不是吗" 什么啊 Like, "A travesty, I'm sur..." Like, what?
你只是在抱怨你自己 You're... you're whining about chickens
- 种下的恶果 - 不 不 不 不 不 - coming home to roost. - No-no-no-no-no.
说唱本身 就是恶种下的果 Rap is chickens coming home to roost.
听着 我的生活因为你们做的破事而一片狼藉 好吗 Look, my life is messed up from shit that y'all did, okay?
这是黑人新闻 查查去吧 That's black news. You can look that up.
反正你的新闻就是麻烦不断 Well, your news is problematic.
- 贱人 那可不怪我 - 哇噢 哇噢 哇噢 - Bitch, that ain't my fault! - Whoa, whoa, whoa!
我可不允许你在我的节目上 I won't have you on my show
- 称别人为"贱人" - 新闻不佳这种事 - calling anyone "Bitches". - How you gonna blame me
- 怎么能怪到我头上 - 好了 冷静一下 冷静一下 - for news being bad, man? - All right, simmer down, simmer down.
不说下流的语言 你都没法与别人交谈 You can't even have an intelligent dialogue without spewing profanities.
- 这太可笑了 - 放松 放松 放松 - It's... it's ludicrous. - Okay, okay, okay.
"阔大少" 你之所以厌恶跨性别者 是不是因为没有父亲 Paper Boi, isn't a lack of a father the reason you hate transpeople?
什么 没有父亲 What? Lack of a father?
拜托 这都哪儿跟哪儿 傻逼 闭嘴吧你 Man, you hear yourself, nigga, shut up.
这样说吧 Man, here's the thing.
我很难在乎这件事 Man, I... it's hard for me to care about this
因为作为一个黑人 when nobody cares about me
根本没人在乎我 你懂吗 as a black human man, you feel me?
你看 Caitlyn Jenner只是做了 Like, Caitlyn Jenner is just doing
富有的白人从一开始就一直在做的事 what rich white men been doing since the dawn of time,
也就是 想做什么就做什么 which is whatever the hell he want.
所以这关我鸟事 他有什么了不起的 So why should I care? What make him so special?
但是作为这个国家中的一位黑人 But... but as a black man in this country,
你不应该关心其他人的公民自由权吗 shouldn't you care about the civil liberties of others,
这些与黑人追求平等的斗争息息相关啊 since they're so closely related to... to your struggle for equality?
你这是什么话啊 我当然在乎 What you talking 'bout? I do care.
听着 我对同性恋者和跨性别者没有任何意见 Look, I don't have a problem with gay people, transpeople,
因为这就是社会的接纳 可是对我这样的人的接纳呢 because that's tolerance, but where's tolerance for people like me?
你懂我的意思吗 这样说吧 You know what I'm saying? Like... Look.
我有权利说某些事情是奇怪的 I should be able to say something is weird
而且不应该有人因此攻击我 对吧 without people hating on me. All right?
我从来 从来没有说过任何 Look, I never... I never said anything
有关剥夺他人权利的话 about taking away nobody's rights.
好吗 从来没有过 A'ight? Never.
我明白你的意思 I... I understand what you're saying,
但是有人认为你的言论冒犯了他们 but some people found your remarks offensive.
是啊 但是言论是自由的啊 妈的 Yeah, well, freedom of speech, shit.
你说得对 No, you're right.
我同意 I agree.
但是你的音乐 But your music
会对黑人青少年产生不利影响 is detrimental to black teens.
是啊 但是说唱音乐都这样 不是吗 Yeah, but so is all rap music, right?
- 摇滚乐也是 - 摇滚 - I mean, and rock music... - Rock.
直到说唱乐抢班夺权 Before it was taken over by rap.
对 我同意 Yeah, I agree.
你憎恨 女性 You hate... women!
傻逼 你说啥 Nigga, what?
蒙塔格访谈
疑问 Questions?
宇宙 The universe?
亲子鉴定 Paternity tests?
问候 Salutations.
你好 我叫Ahmad White Hi. My name is Ahmad White.
你也许曾在梦中见过我 You may know me from your dreams.
拨打屏幕下方的电话 Call this number below
来寻找你应得的答案吧 and get the answers you deserve.
当我打给Ahmad White的时候 When I called Ahmad White,
我已经拖欠了三个月的汽车贷款 I was three months behind on my car loan.
拨打电话吧！
我的继子在蹲监狱 My stepson, he was in jail.
"找到您应得的答案"
我的人生一团糟 My life was in shambles!
但现在 我有了一辆卡车 But now, I got a truck,
我有了女友 I got a girlfriend,
我也找到了自己应得的答案 I got the answers I deserve.
谢谢你 Amhad Write Thank you, Amhad Write.
他把Ahmad White的名字念错了
大多数人并不知道 Most people don't realize
他们的查克拉处于另一个宇宙 their chakra's in another universe.
chakra是指分布于人体各部位的能量中枢
别犯傻 Don't be dumb.
现在就拨打电话吧 Call now.
我和Ahmad发现 Me and Ahmad found out
我是月亮星座 I was a moon sign,
而且我通过饮食摄入的水晶不够 and I wasn't getting enough crystal in my diet.
如今 我住上了漂亮房子 Now, I live in a beautiful home.
Ahmad给了我想要的答案 Ahmad gave me the answers I was looking for.
来我们的活动中心 Come to our Liberty Center
领取免费果汁和巧克力酱三明治 and get a free juice and Nutella sandwich.
在我打给Ahmad时 我的生活没有目标 When I called Ahmad, my life was going nowhere fast.
但一顿巧克力酱三明治配果汁后 After a Nutella sandwich and juice,
我的人生焕然一新 my life's a lot better.
开启您的第三只眼 Open your third eye.
他很灵 He works.
他就是很灵 He just works.
他很灵 他真的很灵 He works. He really works.
他很灵 他真的真的很灵 He works. He really, really works.
答案
知识乃通往伟大之路 Knowledge is the path to greatness.
若您想像海豚宝宝一样聪明 If you'd like to be smart as a baby dolphin,
现在就拨打电话 call now.
那车真不错 That's a nice car.
你认识他吗 You know him?
那是Victor Wallace That's Victor Wallace.
他老婆跟他兄弟跑了 His wife left him for his brother.
打了很长时间官司 Long court battle.
争孩子 争房子 Kids, house...
战况惨烈 it got messy.
整个审判下来他没说一个字 He ain't say one word the whole trial.
他只在最后站起来说了一句 But then at the end, he just stood up and said,
"把我的道奇战马留给我" "Leave me my Dodge Charger."
他已经绕着这一片开了一个星期了 He been driving around this neighborhood in circles for a week.
见谁跟谁挥手 Just waving.
不过确实是辆好车 Nice car though.
道奇战马 离婚时也要保住 The Dodge Charger. Keep it in the divorce.
椰子王的嘎吱脆麦片圈 King Coco's Crunch-O's.
看来传说是真的 The legend is true!
给我嘎吱脆 Gimme that crunch!
不 No!
想得美 Nice try.
只有小孩才能吃 But only kids can have...
椰子嘎吱脆 Coconut Crunch-O's.
那巧克力味的嘎吱脆 That chocolatey coconut crunch
口口香脆 in every bite.
我几乎能尝到味道了 Oh, I can almost taste it!
我一定要吃嘎吱脆 Oh, I got to have them Crunch-O's!
嗷 嗷 疼 Ow! Ow! Man!
不要反抗 Stop resisting.
不要反抗 先生 Stop resisting, sir.
不要 反抗 Stop... resisting.
嗷 你丫的 Ow! Mother...
老实点 Stay down.
发生了什么 What happened?
他要进监狱了 He's going to jail.
就是这样 That's what happened.
这他妈太扯淡了 This is some bullshit!
你还好吗 You all right?
他好得很 He's fine.
他只是不想进监狱而已 He just doesn't wanna go to jail.
你可是坐在我背上呢 伙计 You sitting on my back, man!
啊 Ah!
先生 请保持安静 Sir, be quiet.
哟 你坐在他背上了 Yo! You sitting on his back!
他是要偷你们的麦片 对吧 He was trying to steal your cereal, right?
不过就是麦片而已 I mean, it's just cereal.
可以给他吃 He can have it!
喂 我饿得很啊 伙计 Man, I'm just hungry, man!
他们又不准狼进商店 They don't let wolves in stores, man!
请你们后退 Step back, guys.
我要把罪犯扶起来了 I'm going to lift the offender up.
站起来 先生 We are now going to our feet, sir.
我们走 先生 动起来 Let's go, sir, let's go.
妈的 我本来可以吃这几个小孩的 Nigga, I could be eating these kids!
但是我却选择吃麦片 But I'm out here eating cereal!
嘿 没关系 Hey, it's cool!
我们给他麦片就好了 We'll just give him the cereal.
不行 只有小孩 No, only kids
才能吃椰子嘎吱脆 你很清楚这一点 can have Coconut Crunch-O's. You know that.
这条法律太差劲了 That's a wack law.
你这傻瓜自己就吃椰子嘎吱脆 This fool know he eat Coconut Crunch-O's,
你也不是小孩啊 and you ain't no kid!
请不要妨碍我的工作 Let me do my job.
我说了退后 先生 I said back up... sir!
椰子嘎吱脆 Coconut Crunch-O's
营养均衡的早餐必备品 is a part of this balanced breakfast.
蒙塔格访谈
先前我们的短片讲述了一个 Earlier we showed a clip about a young man
认知自己跨种族身份的年轻人的故事 dealing with trans-racial identity.
现在 我们通过脸书视频连线邀请他参与访谈 Well, we've got him joining us via Facebook video chat.
有请Antoine Smalls Please welcome Antoine Smalls to the show.
你好 Montague 谢谢你邀请我参加你的节目 Hello, Montague, thank you for having me on your show.
那么 Antoine So now, Antoine...
- 我叫Harrison - 抱歉 Harrison - It's Harrison. - I'm sorry. Harrison
自从上次一别 你过得怎么样 How's your life been since we last saw you?
挺好的 It's pretty good.
我刚从南卡莱罗纳州的查尔斯顿回来 I just came back from Charleston, South Carolina.
- 啊 - 特别美 - Ah. - Beautiful.
我去查看了一些廉价艺术空间 I was checking out some cheap art spaces
为我和一个朋友 for me and a friend that I made, uh...
等下 等下 抱歉 抱歉 抱歉 Wait... wait... I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
哟 这够蠢的 Yo. This is dumb.
他那样 这真够蠢的 Like, that... this is dumb.
- 什么 - 就是 等下 - What... - Like, dude, wait.
等下 你是不是变身了 Wait, did you power up?
因为你看起来就像个超级赛亚人 'Cause you look like Super Saiyan right now.
你这是七龙珠里孙悟空的造型吗 大兄弟 Like, is that, like, is that the Goku, like Dragon Ball collection, my nigga?
你看起来就像 Like, you look like
- 山寨版的艾伦 - 这真是 - a fake Ellen DeGeneres. - This is just...
Ellen DeGeneres: 美国著名主持人 演员 同性恋者
- 你就是"肥伦" - 够了 - Like a Felon DeGeneres. - Okay.
不对 不对 不对 你看起来就像"公鸭马尔福" Look, no-no-no, you look like Drake Malfoy, dude, like...
这里说他是著名说唱歌手Drake和哈利波特中角色Draco Malfoy的合体
还弄刘海 兄弟 就没人告诉你 bangs, my nigga? Like, nobody told you
- 不要弄刘海吗 - 好了 够了 "大少"先生 - not to do bangs... like... - Okay, okay. Mr. Boi.
- 真是"接纳"得好呢 - "大少"先生 - Nice tolerance. - Mr. Boi.
- 怎么 等等 等等 - 好的 好的 谢谢你 - What is up... Wait, wait... - Okay, okay, thank you.
- 你们不觉得好笑吗 好吧 - 谢谢 - None of y'all? Okay. - Thank you.
- 你的言论很不得体 - 抱歉 你继续 - That is very inappropriate. - Sorry, man, go ahead.
- 嘘 - 没事的 - Shh. - It's... it's okay.
很遗憾 黑人群体无论如何也无法接受 Sadly, the black community, they just aren't accepting
种族多元化 或者是 of racial diversity or
任何不同的人 在这一点上 anyone different, for that matter.
嗯 那么 Harrison Mm. Now, Harrison...
你是否认为 说唱圈 或者说嘻哈文化群体 Would you say that, uh, the rap game or the hip-hop community
对你所选择的生活方式排斥尤甚 is especially intolerant of the lifestyle you chose?
我们不能怪罪说唱或是嘻哈文化 We really can't blame rap or the hip-hop culture.
他只是尽自己所能表达自己而已 He's just expressing himself to the best of his ability.
我也会维护他这么做的权利 And I will defend his right to do that.
他在讲述一个故事 或者说 街头对此的看法 He's telling a story, or, like, views from the streets.
- 像是一种"贫民新闻" - 嗯 - You know, like a ghetto news. - Mm.
- 行吧 - 但是 但是Harrison - Okay. - But... but Harrison,
你不觉得说唱群体 don't you think that the rap community
以及他们对于跨性别者和同性恋者的态度 and its treatment of transpeople and homosexuals
表明了黑人群体中的更大问题吗 is indicative of a larger problem in the black community,
而这个问题恰恰使得你的生活方式不被接受 one that makes your lifestyle unacceptable?
不 绝不 根本不是 No, no way. Not at all.
一个男人要把自己整成女人 I mean, a man wanting to turn himself into a woman...
本来就是有违人性的 我觉得也不能 that's just unnatural, and I don't think
让孩子们认为这样是合理的 we should have our kids thinking that that's okay.
所以我支持"阔大少"的言论 So I will support that message.
等等 等等 等等 什么 Wait, wait, wait, what?
你说什么 What are you saying?
我也不支持同性婚姻 I'm not into gay marriage.
那也太恶心了 That... that is gross.
我为什么要接纳那样的东西 Why would I ever tolerate something like that?
婚姻应该属于 Marriage is meant for
一男一女 而不是 a man and a woman, not that...
那是一种亵渎 我们 我们 that's an abomination. We're... we...
- 不行 - 你刚刚还在谈 - No. - How can you say that
自己所遭受的歧视 现在怎么能说出这样的话 with the discrimination you were just talking about?
- 你怎么能 - 这是事实啊 - I mean, how... - It's the truth.
- 你是不是疯了 - 这小子疯的一逼 - What are you, crazy? - This nigga crazy!
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我们的节目时间到此为止 That is all the time we have tonight.
- 感谢我们的嘉宾 - 我的妈呀 - I'd like to thank my guests... - Oh, my God.
Holt博士与"阔大少" Dr. Holt, Paper Boi.
请大家阅读她所著的"转变"一书 Please check for her book "Transition,"
"阔大少"的mixtape"邮递"也值得一听 as well as Paper Boi's mixtape "Postal".
- 没错 - 可在 能获取mixtape的地方获取 - Yup! - Available... wherever mixtapes are available.
晚安 Good night.
蒙塔格访谈
你看着像颗半死不活的棕榈树 Like, you look like a dying palm tree.
像是失踪了的第五个披头士成员 Right? Like you look like the lost fifth Beatle,
他们从来不谈起你 my nigga, that they just don't talk about.
变身 他他妈的还有刘海 That, like, power up, like, he's got fucking bangs, like...
我不喜欢他的刘海 I don't care for it.